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#1 tsarofhvalfyurden

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 05:18 AM

I have created this world called East Hvalfyurden V4 and wish to have a positive discussion with those who like my world.

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#2 Direct City - Brice

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 09:53 AM

Welcome on the forum, Tsarofhvalfyurden.
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Posted 29 May 2014 - 10:38 AM

What. The. Hell. Is. This.

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 10:40 AM

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 10:49 AM

Naaa. I looked at it for a min and decided that i didn't like the world. What is more interesting is the fact of that 'micronation'. Had a quick look at the website (didn't like it...) and read some really creepy stuff there. E.g. his eden profile says he's 15 and as far as i know, conncticut is part of U.S. territory, and i don't think the United States would allow a 15 year old to claim land for his own nation.
This is complete rubbish.
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Posted 29 May 2014 - 10:50 AM

Next thing - you cant claim land in virtuality; especially not in Eden as this game has an owner who owns all rights etc on it.

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 12:21 PM

The funniest rules on the website are "No Walruses" (especially not on the also-claimed planet Uranus) and "No claiming land" while the "micronation" pretends to claim land itself :D
But all this micronation stuff kind of matches the idea of a "totalitarian socialism", wtf are you really taking this idea serious that you can claim land everywhere for your own totalitarian state or is this just trolling?
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Posted 29 May 2014 - 12:34 PM

Yes, I am taking this 100% seriously. And in fact I can and already have declared independence, and I legally can and also have claimed virtual territory. Despite what you may believe I have done research. And yes the world was originally a very early version of the Olympic world that i had added to, but that was two years ago, and about two weeks after I did that I decided I wanted my own world so i obliterated most of the world that i hadnt had built and expanded my city. I am working on deleting the last of that world at the moment.

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#9 tsarofhvalfyurden

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 12:35 PM

And by no claiming land, I mean that there is no property distribution. With property distribution comes conflict, and I'd rather avoid it.

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#10 tsarofhvalfyurden

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 12:40 PM

And to respond to you're comment about claiming land, the US has only partial say in the issue, the UN has most of the say, and I don't know if you know this, but the UN a) has no regulation on how old you have to be to declare independence and B) has very minimal regulations on virtual things like games and internet. Therefore disproving both you're comments. I don't wish to persuade you of you're beliefs on the matter, but I guarantee you that I am following regulations.

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 01:43 PM

No matter what you might think, you may not "claim" Uranus/ its moons. Uranus, just like Antarctica and all of outer space, is officially international territory, meaning nobody under any circumstances may take a claim of ownership of these territories.
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#12 tsarofhvalfyurden

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 01:59 PM

I can and I have. Space is not international, you can buy stars. No nation has tried to claim space because it's useless. The moon (of Earth) is a different issue, that I agree is international territory.

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 02:25 PM

Well you, man, you need some help. I tried to be nice before, but now, now i am going to tell you what i honestly think. This whole affair is complete... let's say scrap or rubbish or dirt or mud or whatever, because you can claim whatever you want, but believe me, no nation on earth will actually accept your 'nation', especially as you are only 15 and the United States of America as a accepted nation with accepted laws and a accepted government does not throw around it's territory, anyways, in case you didn't notice, it is hardly possible to change citizenship from let's say the Federal Republic Germany to a 'nation' nobody has ever heard of, simply because the laws in germany and UN conventions don't allow that easily. Next thing. Do you have a passport? Yes? No? Which nation does it belong to? What money do you use? US dollars? What goods do you use? Some from the corner shop two streets away? Well, i don't think you pay taxes at the border of your 'nation' for them. I don't think you need visa to enter US territory? And how for heaven's sake do you claim virtual land? Virtual land doesn't exist ---> how to claim something that doesn't exist? And what are you going to do if Ari Ronen decides to shut the eden servers down? Where does your claimed virtual land go? What are you going to do if you get robbed? Probably go to the police.
You can own land on a nations territory, but you and the land remain part of the nations territory. You cant make a nation whenever you want. Nations have to do with peoples, and two persons are defenitely not a peoples.

This is what i think, don't judge me. I wont write anything else about this topic.
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Posted 29 May 2014 - 02:27 PM

YEESH people does EVERY little thing on here have to turn into an argument? I looked at his page, it's kind of a unique idea, so I say we let him do what we wants, and just evaluate the content of his Eden World. Who cares if (you) think he is crazy for what he is doing? As long as it is not directly negatively influencing you (IN REAL LIFE) let him be. Everyone is different, and unless (he) gets really spammy or annoying about trying to make us all into citizens of his micronation, I say at least keep it peaceful-please. Sorry that's my rant of today lets not start another brawl like always 


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Posted 29 May 2014 - 02:33 PM

Hahaha we actually have dual citizenship, and we're working on passports. If you want to see what I wish my nation to become as far as publicity, look at the Republic of Molossia, or the Principality of Sealand, or the Aerican Empire. All successful micronations. And do you honestly truly believe that the US is gunna fight over a plot of land that is only half an acre and has absolutely no resources. And since you bring up the topic of crimes, yes, the US police will enforce its laws, all of which I've adopted. And I have over ten citizens. Most micronations have around 6. And if he shuts down the servers, which is doubtful, then I just won't have the virtual territory, simple as that. And for examples of online nations, look at Second life or Bitcoin. Virtual territory is as real as real territory. It is in fact code in a computer. And who says I wish recognition right now? I only have to wait two more years since im turning 16 in July.

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#16 NathanielBrusch

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 02:49 PM

You mean months?

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 02:58 PM

How is your "nation" recognized by the govt? What do you have to prove this claim of yours that the territory is yours? If you just say "this land is mine", you can go ahead and pretend that that is your land all you want, but no civilized government will ever recognize that you own it. What if somebody were to buy your supposed land? Would you somehow be able to stop them from doing so?
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Posted 29 May 2014 - 03:07 PM

It is impossible in the U.S. to legally own anything until you are 18.

And is a nation really a nation if it is completely reliant to another nation?

And another thing: As long two people have opposing views there will always be the possibility of conflict.
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Posted 29 May 2014 - 03:52 PM

All that is fanciful..

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 04:07 PM

YEESH people does EVERY little thing on here have to turn into an argument? I looked at his page, it's kind of a unique idea, so I say we let him do what we wants, and just evaluate the content of his Eden World. Who cares if (you) think he is crazy for what he is doing? As long as it is not directly negatively influencing you (IN REAL LIFE) let him be. Everyone is different, and unless (he) gets really spammy or annoying about trying to make us all into citizens of his micronation, I say at least keep it peaceful-please. Sorry that's my rant of today lets not start another brawl like always


Thank you
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